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Deatgs Corrupter · Feb 25, 2010, 10:48 PM // 22:48

the small reason; i find it fun to farm with real people than to h/h doing missions

Shayne Hawke · Feb 25, 2010, 10:48 PM // 22:48

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Originally Posted by esthetic

My point or the purpose of this thread is to point out that it is meaningless, counterproductive, wasteful, to spend time and money trying to eliminate farming builds. Because... GW is coming to an end. Stop stressing about how much ectos you have he has, how you get them, how he gets them.

It's not about eliminating farming builds.

It's about eliminating shitty builds.

own age myname · Feb 25, 2010, 11:09 PM // 23:09

Because people like to have bigger e-peens then others. This is the reason I tend to stick to my own world while playing GW, and not caring so much about money.

Risus · Feb 25, 2010, 11:43 PM // 23:43

For FUN. FUN is being challenged to complete Underworld as fast as possible. Fun is being able to be able to afford weapons and items when you want it. Fun is not running around being a retard with no money playing the game how it was "back in the day."

Here is where you get owned:
Why do you work? Why do you eat? Why do you do anything? You die anyways, just quit now and stop wasting your time.

Alex the Great · Feb 25, 2010, 11:54 PM // 23:54

just wait until the 2 months (maybe more) before gw2. Mass panic, ecto price fluctuates madly as people try to exchange it for currency, while the demand of those going for oby armor cant keep up with the supply. Mini pets will be nearly priceless, especially some of the older ones. Crafting materials, hero armor, and title consumables cost 10-20x more than they do today.

Pandemonium in spamadon!

Sir Tieger · Feb 26, 2010, 12:25 AM // 00:25

Regardless of the argument you are given.

I feel the bottom line is that the "rich" players just dont like the fact that the "poor" players can finally make a decent amount of wealth.

enter_the_zone · Feb 26, 2010, 01:11 AM // 01:11

some people just like shiny things, some people like showing off their shiny things. You may as well ask why chase PVP titles, or even pve titles. They all ultimately have no point

Risus hit the nail on the head. Even all the struggling in RL is ultimately pointless. You're going to die anyway, and material goods are just things.

Phaern Majes · Feb 26, 2010, 01:17 AM // 01:17

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Originally Posted by esthetic

Hmm in theory maybe but in practice i have to disagree.. Looking at how some of the titles are set up in GW it is indeed TIME > skill. Also, farming builds are easy to use so it can be used by the casual player to get their ectos. You want casual players to get "status", i guess you refer to having ectos. So how does eliminating farming builds do this?

It should be about how you play the game not how others play.

The "casual" player doesn't have time to sit and farm 24/7 using a build. Not to mention "casual" players may not have all the skills necessary to run those builds. Granted given the time the game has been out this is less and less likely.

I don't disagree that GW has become time > skill. But this wasn't always the case, in fact this "philosophy" is relatively new i.e. post-Nightfall. Ectos don't necessarily mean status, but they definitely don't hurt.

I obtained my Obsidian armor pre-Factions just running balanced groups in FoW, and 55/SS'ing UW. I am not a casual player, I had the time to farm, and dedicated my monk to 55'ing. Which was costly to start up back in the day; parchment was something like 500-700g each and 200 were needed for the tattoo armor and superior monk runes were typically 20k+. So roughly 120k for the armor, 100k for the runes, and that's assuming you kept your -50 health offhand and had a -20 health backup. If you had 220k pre-Factions you were doing pretty well.

Should point out that 55'ing in UW did take some skill, a bad 55 or SS could be very costly. This may arguably be a situation where time>skill, but not nearly as bad as the builds that came later after Nightfall, and at that time Europe had control of UW and FoW equally as much as North America so it wasn't the constant farming that there is today.

Even farming ectos it still took me months to get all the mats saved for my FoW armor, and I know casual players today who have only recently saved enough. The thing to keep in mind is alot of casual players don't trade with other players that often. They will salvage golds for mods they can use, and then vendor the rest. Occasionally they'll get a lucky drop and then take the time to sell it but not often.

Guess it comes down to what you define as "casual" but for me that means 8-10 hours in a week, assuming an hour per night with 2-3 hours on the weekends.

The reason eliminating farming builds helps, is it forces players to start going back to balanced, at least until another gimmick is found. Casual players can get into a balanced UW or FoW group on the weekends and play through a run. This is something alot of people can't do with the current setup.

Most people on these forums are not casual players and have taken the time to learn how to run various farming builds. As such most people here probably won't be happy about the impending nerf. But this forum represents only a small portion of the GW player base, farmers, in fact, are not a majority.

Bulletproof Maniac · Feb 26, 2010, 02:41 AM // 02:41

i believe you are correct except for things you can add to your HoM

esthetic · Feb 26, 2010, 07:10 AM // 07:10

Just took a look at the nerfs.. lol'ing at the time, effort and $$s it probably took to arrive at that. And for what? What good is the nerf to ANets bottom line? Just alienate more average players for the benefit of a few GW egomaniacs... GG ANet! ANet Board Meeting notes..."We need to get people off the servers so we can cut costs... KILL PvP(Get rid of XTH) ... Need to get rid of more players... KILL PvE(Get rid of Farm Builds)... ok lets hope this works... and lets make it look like GW players actually came up with this idea"

Operative 14 · Feb 26, 2010, 08:14 AM // 08:14

If you don't want to listen to what people have to say in response to your question, what's the point of asking the question?

The bottom line, the ultimate bottom line, is not about collecting shinies and amassing wealth, it's about having fun. Some people find it fun to collect shinies and amass wealth. Some people find it fun to play with their friends, regardless of if that activity is amassing wealth and shinies. Some people like to just hang out and do their own thing and talk to people while those other people amass wealth and shinies. We each do our own particular brand of fun.

Just because you don't find it fun, ultimately because you find it futile, does not mean others don't find it fun for other reasons. Don't like real life analogies? Fine. If you follow your logic, whats the point of playing GW2 since ultimately it will die in succession to GW3?

For those that are farming for the HoM, they are looking towards the future and not seeing a dark, dank tunnel filled with futility that you seem to describe, but a bridge filled with activity and something to do to bide their time until new content arrives (*cough*) or GW2 arrives. I have many sets of 15k armor, a mini Kuunavang, and all sorts of expensive items that are ultimately only worth the $.00002 worth of electricity they take up in some circuit somewhere. I will admit, I got some items (the sellable ones) because they are investment pieces, but ultimately because I like wearing 15k armors becuase they look nicer than their 1k variants in most cases. I like having a cute little dragon following me around.

And you really don't get it at all. Nerfing SF and 600 means that there is something new to do in the game; we finally have a good reason to come up with new builds after two years. We finally will have something other than teams of assassins running around.

If you don't get something, fine. If you want to ask a question, fine, but actually comprehend the answers you receive to your question instead of just sticking your fingers in your ears, singing 'lalalalala', and saying you're right. Stop trying to point out the futility of what others are doing because you don't understand the satisfaction they derive from it. We're still having fun acquiring useless pixels even if you aren't, and we'll look forward to seeing you in GW2 where we can all acquire more useless pixels in preparation for the day when it is supplanted by GW3.

Rocky Raccoon · Feb 26, 2010, 01:22 PM // 13:22

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Originally Posted by esthetic

Just took a look at the nerfs.. lol'ing at the time, effort and $$s it probably took to arrive at that. And for what? What good is the nerf to ANets bottom line? Just alienate more average players for the benefit of a few GW egomaniacs... GG ANet! ANet Board Meeting notes..."We need to get people off the servers so we can cut costs... KILL PvP(Get rid of XTH) ... Need to get rid of more players... KILL PvE(Get rid of Farm Builds)... ok lets hope this works... and lets make it look like GW players actually came up with this idea"

I hate to say this but I am not sure what end of your body you are talking with. I don't think there will be any mass exodus because of the examples you have given, in fact I think it will actually bring some people back to the game.

Tresa · Feb 26, 2010, 02:10 PM // 14:10

Operative 14 pretty much summed it all up, above.

All I can add to that well put post is that any argument that uses "because GW1 is a dying game" is based on a fallacy, and thus becomes nearly impossible to discuss rationally. As long as the servers are up, and there are people using them - no matter how few - there is a playerbase, and a need for maintenance.

What I really wanted to address was this:

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Originally Posted by esthetic

Just took a look at the nerfs.. lol'ing at the time, effort and $$s it probably took to arrive at that. And for what? What good is the nerf to ANets bottom line? Just alienate more average players for the benefit of a few GW egomaniacs... GG ANet! ANet Board Meeting notes..."We need to get people off the servers so we can cut costs... KILL PvP(Get rid of XTH) ... Need to get rid of more players... KILL PvE(Get rid of Farm Builds)... ok lets hope this works... and lets make it look like GW players actually came up with this idea"

I often wonder, when I see sentiments like this: why would you bother with the game at all? Why devote energy to something you feel is run by people who not only don't represent your interests, but that you seem to feel are out to deliberately irritate? It's a bit like trying to fit a square peg into a round hole, isn't it?

Arduin · Feb 26, 2010, 02:32 PM // 14:32

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Originally Posted by Sir Tieger

Regardless of the argument you are given.

I feel the bottom line is that the "rich" players just dont like the fact that the "poor" players can finally make a decent amount of wealth.

As someone who has more money than he can spent, I don't care shit that other people can make money in a game where it's all about who can dress up the nicest.

akio pwns · Feb 26, 2010, 02:41 PM // 14:41

heres my best answer

I hope you enjoyed it.

distilledwill · Feb 26, 2010, 02:42 PM // 14:42

HoMHoMHoMHoMHoMHoMHoMHoMHoMHoMHoMHoMHoMHoMHoMHoMHo MHoM

^ This. This = rewards in later life.

Phaern Majes · Feb 26, 2010, 02:57 PM // 14:57

This doesn't hurt Anet's bottom line, they already have your money.

Tullzinski · Feb 26, 2010, 03:07 PM // 15:07

IMO nuking farming builds is less about us and more about those whose are making real money by abusing those builds 24/7 and selling those things to RMT's.

Do not see ANET really giving two shits about the casual player getting tons of stuff. It affects them in no way whatsoever, does not hurt their bottom line. Furthermore like Phaern stated the casual player does not have the time to farm constantly.

Over time ANET has tried hard not to nerf SF. ANET demonstrated a couple of times wanting to keep it around since it was fun for many.

Really think this is more of a driving force than most of us give credit for, not saying it is the only reason, but it definitely is the straw that broke the camels back.

In a nutshell it is more about other people making real money off of their property.

Sjeng · Feb 26, 2010, 04:39 PM // 16:39

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Originally Posted by esthetic

I am no economist but... I can make this prediction for you. In a year or less, all your in game shinies will be valued for what they really are.. pixels. This game is going to die off as GW2 is underway and ppl stop playing GW and ANet stops spending resources on GW.

That's not really news, is it...

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Originally Posted by esthetic

As price is determined by supply and demand, demand for in game shinies is going to disappear...*snip*...So why do you care people are able to speed clear some higher difficulty areas solo or duo for their shinies, when having 100,000 ectos will basically mean squat when the GW2 comes on?

Because there will always be whiners

And like Arduin says: I really don't care if the poor can get rich easily. And I also don't care about the rich whining how others can get rich more easily then they did. We had XTH for months, which made me lots and lots of gold, which I've spent on armor and weapons for my HoM, and just cuz they're shiny. It's a GAME.

There, I'm done thinking about it.

Shooshu · Feb 26, 2010, 04:56 PM // 16:56

Ill tell you why.
When you walk through ravenhart gloom then you see your bling bling come to life!